March 18, 2005
Terry Schiavo story
Yahoo! News - House Panel Seeks to Keep Schiavo Alive
This is getting into the realm of ridiculous. This is not about saving a life. This is a custody battle. In absence of a will, who gets to decide the life/death course of this woman?
Does her husband has the right to choose? I think yes. I am sure he loved and still loves his wife dearly and doesn't want to let her live in this vegetative state when there is no chance of recovery. I don't think Terry enjoys being in this state either.
Does her parents have the right to intervene? Absolutely not. The State courts should sort this out and they already have. US senate and house and federal courts should keep out of this. But, they want to make this a 'pro-life' issue. Isn't it ironic that on one hand they don't care about throwing away hundreds and thousands of absolutely precious lives in a war but, here they are so concerned about the life of a person who is already dead by most measures.
Posted by Parag at March 18, 2005 10:28 AM | TrackBackThey are concerned about this one life...cos they know this life will never open its mouth! The 100's and 1000's that die in war, if survived....would open their mouths, which would shut the mouths of these!! So as long as the opposite is quiet and dormant....open your mouths and shout as loud as you can.....Isn't that politically correct? :)
Posted by: deven at March 18, 2005 04:08 PMHi! All
There is one obscure point I'm concerned about the case of this poor lady. I mean, there's a lot of info running on the Net related actual (moral, legal, religious, etc.) situation but I can't find absolutely nothing related to how it all started. Well, I've heard/read it was a crazy diet, but going deeper, Does anyone know, please, whether it was a diet by her own or (one more) medical negligence? You know the typical "Ooopppsss! Wrong pills presciption"!!!
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Why is this even a question. I feel it was right to remove the feeding tube, but to frisk the family and any visitors to make sure they don't feed her or give her water is ridiculous. They are murdering her and she doesn't even have a chance. People are taken off life support all the time and if they make it that is great, but they are feed and given water. Why isn't she. The husband needs to get on with his life and get out of hers. Let her parents take care of her. Let them try to feed her to see if she responds. These powers that have passed judgement on this woman, need to get out of their ivory towers and go to her to see for themselves what is going on with her. All they see is video's and you know they are not doctored up. What you see is what you get. I don't think so. They should at least go see her before they legalize her murder. Our morals have reached an all time low.
Posted by: Diane Taylor at March 22, 2005 10:54 AMThis is absolutely RIDICULUS. I don't understand how it's legal to kill innocent babies who've never hurt anyone and it's okay to kill this woman who's done harm to no one, but yet we haven't killed the man who's been charged with over 600,000 murders, Saddamn Hussein. Even when he does eventually die, he'll die a less-painful death than this woman will! Starving her to death is totally barbaric, especially when she hasn't done anything!
Also: She's NOT brain-dead! She's moved her arm when asked to, smiled when her mother came near, opened her eyes when asked, followed a balloon with her eyes when asked to, and attempted to talk to us! Does that sound like a brain-dead woman to you? NO! She is NOT in a "persistent vegitative state". Whoever said that is one of the biggest liars I've ever seen. People who are in a coma or unconcious don't respond to ANYTHING. At all. She's responded plenty, and yet millions of people choose to ignore what's thrown in front of their faces!
The only reason her husband wants her dead is because he wants her insurance money! He's already living with another woman while he's still married to Terry, like he's already positive that she's going to die! He has no reason to do what he's doing.
Why are people not even bothering to do something about this?
-Jackie
-Trickum Middle School, 8th grade, Lilburn, GA
*Saddam Hussein
Posted by: Jackie at March 22, 2005 07:19 PMIf they kill her they're no better than the Nazis!!!!
Posted by: nighthawk99 at March 23, 2005 05:05 PMnighthawk99: It is better to kill her than to keep her alive in all the pain and suffering that she can't tell you about.
Posted by: Parag at March 23, 2005 05:08 PMJackie: It is quite pathetic to question the motives of her husband. He stayed with her all through this for 8 years before he gave up and wanted to remove the feeding tube.
Posted by: Parag at March 23, 2005 05:10 PMI don't understand how they want to have this burden on their conscience
Posted by: nighthawk99 at March 23, 2005 05:11 PMIn October of 1939 amid the turmoil of the outbreak of war Hitler ordered widespread "mercy killing" of the sick and disabled.
Code named "Aktion T 4," the Nazi euthanasia program to eliminate "life unworthy of life" at first focused on newborns and very young children.
A decision on whether to allow the child to live was then made by three medical experts (3 judges in Terry Schiavo's case) solely on the basis of the questionnaire, without any examination and without reading any medical records.
The Nazi euthanasia program quickly expanded to include older disabled children and adults. Hitler's decree of October, 1939, typed on his personal stationary, enlarged "the authority of certain physicians to be designated by name in such manner that persons who, according to human judgment, are incurable can, upon a most careful diagnosis of their condition of sickness, be accorded a mercy death."
This quickly spread to include other members of society as well.
But the huge increase in the death rate for the disabled combined with the very obvious plumes of odorous smoke over the killing centers aroused suspicion and fear. At Hadamar, for example, local children even taunted arriving busloads of patients by saying "here comes some more to be gassed."
On August 3, 1941, a Catholic Bishop, Clemens von Galen, delivered a sermon in Münster Cathedral attacking the Nazi euthanasia program calling it "plain murder." The sermon sent a shockwave through the Nazi leadership by publicly condemning the program and urged German Catholics to "withdraw ourselves and our faithful from their (Nazi) influence so that we may not be contaminated by their thinking and their ungodly behavior."
However, the Nazi euthanasia program quietly continued, but without the widespread gassings. Drugs and starvation were used instead and doctors were encouraged to decide in favor of death whenever euthanasia was being considered.
-- Sourced from HistoryPlace
Interesting reading
Posted by: nighthawk99 at March 23, 2005 05:19 PMhe did stay with her through all 8 years, but marriage is forever. it even says in the vows to care for your spouse when they're sick. It doesn't say to stop when you get tired of it. He has no right to do what he's doing.
Posted by: Jackie at March 23, 2005 09:08 PMTo me it is a question of "Is she alive or not." I have heard that her movements are simply involentary responses. I heard that her brain is completly "liquified", she baisicially cant even think. If that is the case, her body is only alive but her persona is gone, I concider her already dead. However if she can think, and live even inside her HEAD, she is alive and has no right to die
Posted by: Ownage at March 24, 2005 12:06 AMTo me it is a question of "Is she alive or not." I have heard that her movements are simply involentary responses. I heard that her brain is completly "liquified", she baisicially cant even think. If that is the case, her body is only alive but her persona is gone, I concider her already dead. However if she can think, and live even inside her HEAD, she is alive and has no right to die
Posted by: dd at March 24, 2005 12:08 AMhttp://www.blogsforterri.com/video/ConversationWithTerri.wmv
^^ thats a video of terry responding and laughing at what her doctor said. Does she seem like a vegetable to you? Do vegetables laugh?
http://www.blogsforterri.com/video/ConversationWithTerri.wmv
^^ thats a video of terry responding and laughing at what her doctor said. Does she seem like a vegetable to you? Do vegetables laugh?
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Posted by: Jackie at March 24, 2005 07:29 AMI have worked in the medical field for 6 years, and i see people kept alive by machines not being able to have their soul free. It's like being trapped in the middle of nowhere in a car that doesnt work, and all you want to to get to a destination. Ask yourselve what you would like! to be kept alive trapped in a body for years so that eventually you can die a grusome death because your skin begins to breakdon due to ulcers cause you cant move. And leave your family with millions of dollars in debt. Come-one this is horrible, innocent people deserve to die in peace. I thinkt hat they should have free dthe women years ago.
Posted by: marianna at March 26, 2005 02:20 PMHow, as Americans, who prosecute our American soldiers for imapprotiateness during a war, and feed death row inmates a meal of choice before execution, condone such behavior? I do not want to hear how the husband stood behind her for eight years since marriage is till death do us part and for better or worse. He also did not wait to go on with his life since he has a second family. Please !!!!
Posted by: Brenda at March 28, 2005 10:36 AMHow, as Americans, who prosecute our American soldiers for imapprotiateness during a war, and feed death row inmates a meal of choice before execution, condone such behavior? I do not want to hear how the husband stood behind her for eight years since marriage is till death do us part and for better or worse. He also did not wait to go on with his life since he has a second family. Please !!!!
Posted by: Brenda at March 28, 2005 10:36 AMI love how everyone is so pro life, and horrified stating it's againt God. Ask yourself if not for the man made machines that kept terry alive would she have lived this long? Now who's playing God? I'm sure that all religous activists horrified by the fact that the feeding tube was taken out also voted against stem cell research. Now isn't that horrible, Choosing to keep alives a brain dead women, but not giving her the oppertunity or children with basic spinal cord injuries the oppertunity to walk again or be normal again.
You can't have one without the other, by keeping terry alive you would have ruined her dignity.
Would you have wanted to be kept alive?
I am curious to know if anyone out there would like to "live" inside your own head. Not to be able to comunicate when your nose itches or be able to scratch it for yourself. Next time you have an itch just try to ignore it. How frustrating would it be? Try doing that for 15 years. Laying in one position without moving by yourself but being completely aware of the fact you cant. What a horrible solitary confinement. You can not convey your stomach is upset, you have a headache, or tell someone you need to have your bed changed because you have wet it. Is this "living"? It is very selfish to keep this woman alive by feeding her through a tube inserted into her stomach. A hundred years ago this woman would have passed on her own. Without the help of Dr. God she would not be alive now. I am thankful that she is now not suffering, if there is life after death she is a much happier soul now. Only she knows the truth of the hell she has endured for the last 15 years, keeping this in mind maybe everyone could have a little more compassion and a little less holyier than thou selfishness.
Posted by: justin at April 2, 2005 12:47 AMJust because we don't understand something doesnt mean that it's nonsense. Many people declared people of other cultures "savages" in need of rescue from the way they were perceived to be living. Their lives lived as they were, were not valid in the eyes of the "rescuers". We have jettisoned the undesirables before--the blind, the epileptic, the crippled, the old, the leper, the homosexual, the stutterrer, and yes, the 'officially' mentally retarded.
At least one Mayo clinic doctor declared Terri "not in a permanent vegetative state." Others say, we just dont know. Why would a family beg and beg to take care of what they truly thought was a dead and empty shell? Is every single person in the Schiavo family delusional in exactly the same way?
I had a relative who had cerebral palsy and lived her whole life in a wheelchair (that she could not push or operate) or on a sofa. She went without oxygen while trapped in her mother's birth canal. The result was a contorted body, no ability to adequately chew food, no motor control. But she laughed at jokes, cried when she was sad, fussed when she was angry, and was completely alert. To people outside our family, she just looked "retarded" and like a vegatable. People were so fixated on how her body looked that they could not see her mind.
I am glad that she was in my life, living well into her forties. I valued her life, and I think she did too.
The conservative right is schizophrenic as ever. They wanted the tube back in, but they don't like "activist" judges. They wanted Terri to have all the care she needed, but they preach about tort reform---which would have capped Terri's legal award at $250,000.
To me, this just looked like murder. That's all I can say.
Posted by: teri at April 2, 2005 10:55 PM